{"id":432,"date":"2010-03-15T20:00:59","date_gmt":"2010-03-16T03:00:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.northernway.org\/weblog\/?p=432"},"modified":"2010-03-15T20:00:59","modified_gmt":"2010-03-16T03:00:59","slug":"the-future-of-god-debate-and-the-problem-of-evil","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.northernway.org\/weblog\/?p=432","title":{"rendered":"The &#8216;Future of God&#8217; Debate &#8211; and the Problem of Evil"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This article below by famed female philosopher mythologist anthropologist Jean Houston, deals with the Problem of Evil indirectly as it ponders whether God exists or not;  and deals with that ol&#8217; Problem very directly, not to mention dramatically, at the very end of the article&#8230; <\/p>\n<p>And here also is a <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/intentchopra\/2010\/03\/jean-houston-on-the-future-of.html\">video of Jean Houston<\/a> talking to Deepak Chopra about the existence of Deity\/Consciousness\/God. Just like in the article below, in this video Jean also ends dramatically &#8212; this time with the remark, &#8220;I think suffering is Infinity playing with itself.&#8221;  <\/p>\n<p>+Katia<\/p>\n<p>THE &#8216;FUTURE OF GOD&#8217; DEBATE<br \/>\nDr. Jean Houston<br \/>\nMarch 15, 2010<\/p>\n<p>Here are a few of the points I made or intended to make at this remarkably<br \/>\nrousing debate between the atheists and skeptics &#8212; Michael Shermer and Sam<br \/>\nHarris on one side and Deepak Chopra and myself on the other. The debate was<br \/>\nmostly focused on the scientific aspects for the existence or non existence<br \/>\nof God. My role was to provide a somewhat different perspective.<\/p>\n<p>1. The world has been rearranged, the reset button of history has been hit.<br \/>\nMany are called to take initiatives that before would have seemed unlikely,<br \/>\nif not downright impossible, including the rethinking of the reality of the<br \/>\nIntelligence that underlies the universe. My perspective joins that of the<br \/>\npoet Christopher Fry: &#8220;Thank God our time is now when wrong comes up to meet<br \/>\nus everywhere, never to leave us till we take the longest stride of soul men<br \/>\never took.&#8221; In this, we are present at the birth of an opportunity that<br \/>\nexceeds our imagination &#8212; the 13.7 billion year experiment that could<br \/>\nresult in our lives coming to end within the century.<\/p>\n<p>2. There is a radical need for a new natural philosophy based on our new<br \/>\nknowledge of the cosmos, the world, the cross-cultural mix of knowledge and<br \/>\nunderstanding, potential evolutionary directions, and our own emerging<br \/>\nrealities. We have been shackled for too long by philosophies, however<br \/>\nnoble, that have been limited by much narrower views of the world. And what<br \/>\nis worse, too many of us have been patterned and prepared in the alembic of<br \/>\nthese limited views, however out of date they may be, and we find ourselves<br \/>\nto have been marinated in the medieval soup of the mind. Today, many feel<br \/>\nthe need to release inadequate ideas of God so that we can all move forward.<br \/>\nTo become atheistic and skeptical at a time of so much opportunity is one<br \/>\nway to respond to our dilemma, but then we forget that religion and<br \/>\nspirituality are also about the quest for meaning, transcendence, seeing the<br \/>\ninterrelatedness between things, compassion, goodness, laughter, and the<br \/>\ngreat Pattern that connects all things with each other as well as ways to<br \/>\nlive kindly with the suffering that is an inescapable part of the human<br \/>\ncondition. Thus, faith will never go away and, in the words of Karen<br \/>\nArmstrong, &#8221; To identify religion with its worst manifestations, claim that<br \/>\nthey represent the whole, and then demolish the straw dog thus set up does<br \/>\nnot seem a rational or useful way of conducting this important debate.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>3. In spite of the fact that there appears to be a decline in attendance in<br \/>\ntraditional organized religions, the search for spiritual experience has<br \/>\nrarely been greater. In America alone, in the last 30 years, the number of<br \/>\nreligious groups has doubled. We take new names, sit zazen, become Sufis,<br \/>\nTaoists, neo-pagans, devotees of Kali and Vedanta. Buddhism in all its<br \/>\nvarieties is the fastest growing American faith. There is an eruption of<br \/>\nspiritual polyphony, that some might caustically see as &#8220;the Divine Deli&#8221; or<br \/>\n&#8220;cafeteria religion.&#8221; What this points to recalls the original Greek meaning<br \/>\nof enthusiasm: entheosiasmos, &#8220;being filled with the god.&#8221; As one Catholic<br \/>\nBrother told me, &#8220;These other traditions do not contradict my own. Rather,<br \/>\nthey open the wells of the Waters of Life. When I meditate with His Holiness<br \/>\n[the Dalai Lama], I feel as if the deep rivers of our respective traditions<br \/>\nare meeting and becoming a mighty flood of spirit and renewal.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>4. The complexity of the present world is shattering expectations in every<br \/>\narena, most especially, in the geography of the soul. Lost as we all are, we<br \/>\ncan understand why some retreat into fundamentalisms that provide archaic<br \/>\ncertainties, holding houses of containment before the onrush of new<br \/>\nrealities. Others wander in a spiritual void, overwhelmed by the loss of all<br \/>\npattern, looking to material accomplishments to replace the loss of essence.<br \/>\nStill others flee into &#8220;replacement strategies&#8221;&#8211; psychotherapy, drugs, sex,<br \/>\ngrowth seminars, travel. In each case, mind and body are at the end of their<br \/>\ntether, swung out into vertigo over the abyss of Being. And yet the yearning<br \/>\nfor personal experience of the divine reality has never been greater.<\/p>\n<p>5. As Martin Buber taught us, &#8220;I&#8221; attends to &#8220;Thou&#8221; much more than &#8220;I&#8221;<br \/>\nattends to itself. When you get beneath the surface crust of everyday<br \/>\nconsciousness, and past the sensory, psychological and even mythic and<br \/>\nsymbolic levels of the ecology of inner space, you discover the depths<br \/>\nbeyond depths, and, with it, peace, serenity joy &#8212; no separations, but also<br \/>\na transcendent grace and even high creativity. It is not just the mystics,<br \/>\nbut the high creatives (some of whom are scientists) who report that in the<br \/>\nthroes of creative experience, feel themselves aligned, guided, allied by a<br \/>\npower that is beyond or deep within themselves. This power is felt as<br \/>\nspiritual reality, a vision, an inward voice, an invisible life&#8217;s companion,<br \/>\nand became a formidable motivation for a quest for truth and discovery. One<br \/>\ncannot just reduce these experiences to brain secretions and happy neural<br \/>\nchemistries. There is more to us than that. We inhabit the Universe, but the<br \/>\nUniverse, with its vast domain of intelligence and inspiration also inhabits<br \/>\nus! In certain states of consciousness and explorations we tap into its<br \/>\nmyriad resources.<\/p>\n<p>6. The issue of where this is all coming from has ancient roots. St. Francis<br \/>\nin the 13th century defined the issue of consciousness, the brain and God<br \/>\nwhen he said &#8220;What we are looking for is Who is looking.&#8221; Meister Eckhart, a<br \/>\nlittle later, took it further when he said &#8220;The eye by which I see God is<br \/>\nthe same eye by which God sees me.&#8221; He got into a lot of trouble with the<br \/>\nPope over that one.<\/p>\n<p>My own take on this is that we are the players in a great game called<br \/>\nParadox. And what is the paradox? It is that we are both Infinite and finite<br \/>\nbeings: As finite beings we are Godstuff incorporated in space and time; as<br \/>\nInfinite being, we are the Living Universe in an eternal yet spirited form<br \/>\nof itself. As this Infinite self expressing aspects of God, and as a form of<br \/>\nthe Living Universe, we find ourselves capable of creating and sustaining an<br \/>\nindividual finite self. That is you &#8212; the human being that is the microcosm<br \/>\nor, if you will, the fractal of the Infinite self. The human Selfing game<br \/>\nmay be what Infinity does for fun. Not realizing this, we live in a state of<br \/>\ngalloping ambiguity, caught in a limited time vehicle<br \/>\nand yearning for our greater self. Then when we make the rare excursion into<br \/>\nour Greater being, becoming our cosmic selves, we suddenly yearn like<br \/>\nDorothy in Oz to get back home to the farm in Kansas. Why is this? To<br \/>\ncontinue the metaphor, to live in Kansas however joyous and rewarding it is<br \/>\nto chronically confront our limitations of body, mind and the others.<br \/>\nWhereas to enter into infinite life is rather difficult to navigate and<br \/>\ntranscends all understanding.<\/p>\n<p>I believe that to live in a state of both\/and is to become who and what we<br \/>\nwere patterned to be. We cannot contract the infinite to fit into the<br \/>\nfinite, because if we do so we just end up with a fundamentalist God.<br \/>\nHowever, we can extend &#8212; through conscious work on ourselves &#8212; the<br \/>\ncapacity to expand and thus to enter into partnership with the infinite.<br \/>\nThen, and this may be the goal of the Paradox game, we do indeed discover<br \/>\nthat we are an infinity of selves creating and sustaining our individual<br \/>\nhuman self. Do you see the stupendous import of this statement? To me, it is<br \/>\na mind cracking, soul buffeting, life enlargening realization. Once<br \/>\nunderstood and internalized, it adds tremendous power to our freedom to be,<br \/>\nour enormous capacity to grow, evolve and recreate ourselves, and our<br \/>\nability to live simultaneously as finite and infinite beings. The Infinite<br \/>\nself has some part in directing the development and unfolding of the finite<br \/>\nself, and the finite self offering joy, entertainment and knowledge to the<br \/>\nInfinite self. This is the Paradox of partnership resolved. The game is to<br \/>\novercome the illusion of separation.<\/p>\n<p>Now we know that many of the great spiritual traditions, Buddhist, Hindu,<br \/>\nTaoist, the Christian mystical tradition declare that the finite and the<br \/>\ninfinite are on a continuum with each other. Even recent scientific<br \/>\nspeculation is saying the same. Modern physics of the quantum variety as<br \/>\nDeepak Chopra so brilliantly illustrates, increasingly extends into the<br \/>\nparadoxical and mystical in is pursuit of a unified theory of the<br \/>\nfundamental forces of the living universe.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, we are that crossroads between biology and cosmology. We are called<br \/>\nto explore the mystery itself as an interface between engagement with<br \/>\nexternal realities and embrace of the inner journey. This brings us to a<br \/>\nplace of contemplative practice, and the vital synergy between inner and<br \/>\nouter realities necessary to transform self, institutions, paths of<br \/>\npossibility, as well as visionary endeavors. And in so doing, unleash the<br \/>\nhuman spirit of those who compose the institution or endeavor and of those<br \/>\nwho are served by this. It is an activity of extraordinary balance, a<br \/>\ntension in repose. It is about a zone in which paradox occurs. It is a space<br \/>\nwhere the sacred emerges and the local self disappears. It is a space of<br \/>\nexquisite silence and of extraordinary service. It is a space wherein there<br \/>\nis a fusing and blending of silence and service. In such a state one has<br \/>\naccess to the creative, world making place where one&#8217;s unique entelechy (the<br \/>\nessential self) meets the Entelechy of a potential new time, one that gives<br \/>\nthe details of an evolution in person and society.<\/p>\n<p>There is a wonderful Sufi story of a man broken hearted by all the suffering<br \/>\nand sorrow he saw in the world. He sat by the roadside and began to beat the<br \/>\nearth. He looks up and yells at God. &#8220;Look at this mess. Look at all this<br \/>\npain. Look at all this killing and hatred. God, Oh God, why don&#8217;t you DO<br \/>\nsomething!?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>And God said, &#8220;I did do something. 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