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	<title>Comments on: Forget Whether God Exists, Investigate Survival of Consciousness First</title>
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		<title>By: Rev. Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev. Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such a fascinating discussion, especially for those in my situation: I am now studying psychology and also believe in a higher power, intelligence, in the universe.  Those of us, who may be a minority, who cling to Western scientific research combined with spritual beliefs seem to struggle to bring the two together.  
My thought is this: stop searching for God.  Stop searching for a &#039;reason&#039; to believe, because it already exists.  There are so many texts in the Bible and other books that support this statement - too many to mention here.  Quieting our hearts and simply allowing the spirit to become active in us will reveal more, in my opinion, than a search into an existence of a higher power that we can not comprehend.  The Bible is full of stories of &quot;we will find that which we do not seek&quot; and similar themes.  There is truth in this as we look inside our hearts and allow that which is always present and beyond our understanding to enter into our being.  
I do not mean to imply that research, or science, should be abandoned.  On the contrary, the more we learn and understand about ourselves the better we become.  But, if we are to believe that God, or the Supreme Intelligence, or what ever you refer to the Diety as, is real and exists in the universe, you must also believe that God is beyond our understanding.
I heard a joke once and, although it was very simple, it&#039;s meaning is extremely deep: 
&quot;One day the scientists approached God and said we no longer need you - we have become intelligent and powerful on our own.  God said to them, OK, but let&#039;s decide after one test.  If you perform as well as I you will be on your own.  The scientists agreed and God said we will make a man and God spoke and a man was created from the clay of the earth.  The scientists said we will begin and picked up some clay and God said, No, get your own clay&quot;.  
Peace to all.  
Rev. Eddie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a fascinating discussion, especially for those in my situation: I am now studying psychology and also believe in a higher power, intelligence, in the universe.  Those of us, who may be a minority, who cling to Western scientific research combined with spritual beliefs seem to struggle to bring the two together.<br />
My thought is this: stop searching for God.  Stop searching for a &#8216;reason&#8217; to believe, because it already exists.  There are so many texts in the Bible and other books that support this statement &#8211; too many to mention here.  Quieting our hearts and simply allowing the spirit to become active in us will reveal more, in my opinion, than a search into an existence of a higher power that we can not comprehend.  The Bible is full of stories of &#8220;we will find that which we do not seek&#8221; and similar themes.  There is truth in this as we look inside our hearts and allow that which is always present and beyond our understanding to enter into our being.<br />
I do not mean to imply that research, or science, should be abandoned.  On the contrary, the more we learn and understand about ourselves the better we become.  But, if we are to believe that God, or the Supreme Intelligence, or what ever you refer to the Diety as, is real and exists in the universe, you must also believe that God is beyond our understanding.<br />
I heard a joke once and, although it was very simple, it&#8217;s meaning is extremely deep:<br />
&#8220;One day the scientists approached God and said we no longer need you &#8211; we have become intelligent and powerful on our own.  God said to them, OK, but let&#8217;s decide after one test.  If you perform as well as I you will be on your own.  The scientists agreed and God said we will make a man and God spoke and a man was created from the clay of the earth.  The scientists said we will begin and picked up some clay and God said, No, get your own clay&#8221;.<br />
Peace to all.<br />
Rev. Eddie</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Frances Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Frances Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just returned from the 2009 Annual Conference of the International Association for Near-Death Studies, where 200 near-death experiencers and researchers shared their understandings of after-death consciousness and of the gifts that many NDErs bring back with them after taking that voyage from which many do not return. There is no question in one&#039;s mind, after taking that trip and returning, that one&#039;s consciousness is indeed alive and well outside one&#039;s body. Those of us who haven&#039;t taken that trip yet can learn a great deal about death and life by listening to those who have done so. They know the truth and are willing to share it. Go to web sites like iands.org or nderf.com or near-death.com to read hundreds of accounts which can&#039;t be swept under the rug any longer. Western science needs a new paradigm which accounts for the reality of survival of consciousness. And, yes, God is there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just returned from the 2009 Annual Conference of the International Association for Near-Death Studies, where 200 near-death experiencers and researchers shared their understandings of after-death consciousness and of the gifts that many NDErs bring back with them after taking that voyage from which many do not return. There is no question in one&#8217;s mind, after taking that trip and returning, that one&#8217;s consciousness is indeed alive and well outside one&#8217;s body. Those of us who haven&#8217;t taken that trip yet can learn a great deal about death and life by listening to those who have done so. They know the truth and are willing to share it. Go to web sites like iands.org or nderf.com or near-death.com to read hundreds of accounts which can&#8217;t be swept under the rug any longer. Western science needs a new paradigm which accounts for the reality of survival of consciousness. And, yes, God is there.</p>
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